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April 29, 2009 (Wednesday) Travis 

Two more reports came in from last weekend.  Here they are:

"Started Friday north of Kelley and worked north toward Gull.  Picked up two (23-25") on clown Yo-Zuri 60 back at 1.3-1.6.  Moved to area NE of Rattlesnake and picked up two more (25-27") on crystal HJ 60 back and on a Bomber at 80 back.  Fought the waves Sunday for about 4 hours.  Caught two NE of Rattlesnake; 23" on fruit punch RR 20 back and a 28" on a pink clown HJ at 80 back.  Speed was 0.9 to 1.8.  Pulled bottom bouncers with meat both days with nary a bite.  Lots of big marks."

"went last sunday got 3 man limit in maumee bay purple hair jigs"

Travis

April 28, 2009 (Tuesday) Marc  2nd Article of the day

I have widened the page a little in an attempt to make it a little easier to read. If anyone has trouble with it please let me know. If you want it wider let me know that too.

You may notice a couple other changes as well and I hope they are positive ones. One change is a raffle link to the left of these reports. We have them periodically and the money from them goes towards our charity events. This weekend we are sponsoring a Fishing derby for Sandusky area kids with the Sandusky Parks and Recreation Department and the Erie County Visitors Bureau. This raffle money will be put toward the Outreach Walleye Lake Erie championship held annually at Cranberry Creek Marina. This fall we will put 10-12 different age group kids up along with their chaperones and the Outreach crew at the Plantation motel for 2 nights and supply boats and drivers from the club for an all day outing on Lake Erie. It has gotten quite expensive and these raffles help pay for it.

This raffle is for a Walker Electric downrigger. Details are on the raffle page. It is brand new in the box. You guys that strictly fish the west basin won't have much use for it but if you ever go after the Steelhead in Canadian waters east of Pelee or in the Central and East Basins or Salmon fishing on Michigan or Ontario it is a very effective tool to have on board.

You will notice and it's one of the reasons Dean trusted us with his webpage, that we have no advertising on our website other than small banners on our tournament pages and a couple small icons on our message board. We feel like Dean felt, that advertising puts us in a compromised position in fair reporting of what works and what doesn't. Thats not to say that we don't have sponsors. We do and we have some great ones. Those sponsors are all tournament sponsors and are listed on our Friends of the Club page to the left. Please support them if you can. That said you will never see a banner ad on any of the Denied webpages and yes we have been approached about it, since you guys are what is known as a targetted audience.

I think I have finally figured out an easy way to post the Camp Perry notices and they will be put up again starting now. You will need Adobe Reader to view them. you can get it here if you don't already have it.

I have other stuff to say but I'll let you off with just this for now. We are getting some response to the TAC blog a couple weeks ago and I'll try to respond here and let you know what some people are saying about it and what their suggestions are in a couple days. Make sure you read Travis' report directly below this.

Marc

April 28, 2009 (Tuesday) Travis 

One more weekend report came in today. Here it is:

"I fished the reefs with two friends this weekend, Friday through Sunday.  Had a slow evening Friday, mostly weather related.  Figured out the program on Saturday evening once the wind backed off a little.  Vertical jigged in 13-15 feet of water out in front of the stack, right along the firing range line.  Fishing was the best in 14-15 FOW.  Pulled a 12 fish limit in about 3 hours, finishing right at sunset.  Got out early Sunday morning, started at 6:10am and finished at 7:15am, jig color did not seem to matter with fish coming on purple, orange/chartruse and white/green.  We were well east of most of the weekend pack."

Outside of the lake it sounds like the Sandusky River run is pretty well done with white bass and white perch showing up big time.  The Maumee walleye run usually hangs on well into May, but white bass are already showing up there and the number of female walleye being caught is dropping off.

I would expect the jig bite to go for a few more weeks on the lake, even though we're quickly heading into the post-spawn period.

Travis

April 27, 2009 (Monday) Travis 

First and foremost, I want to thank the readers that responded to yesterday's post with some fishing reports from this weekend.  Not everyone that read the post responded positively.  I have some thoughts on the topic, but I'll hold them to the end of this report so that I can get to the important stuff: the fishing reports.  Here they are in no certain order-

"three of us caught our limits in about three hours saterday had to stay within a mile from shore due to winds we stayed east of the big pack!  3/4oz. white and red bladebait- fast and radical jig,  3/4 chart jig head with a slow 6 inch hop worked for us! don't know how the pack was doing but we saw a few nets go in the water around us."

"I was out off turtle creek yesterday and  had two man limit in less than an hour  (purple hair jigs tipped with minnows)."

"The Maumee Bay is still loaded with aggressive male biters. We caught a limit in an hour Sunday morning and caught and released an additional 3 dozen between the 2 of us. Heavy winds dictated at least 2 socks be used-sometimes even 2 weren't enough to slow down the drift and stay on top of the right depth for very long. Purple/white hair jigs tipped with shiners or Berkeley Gulp Alive."

"Wanted to fish for walleye on Saturday, but my youngest son and I struggled with waves and muddy water east and north of Kellys (never did put lines out...)  Ended up perch fishing in the mud and white caps a couple miles north of Lakeside in 29ft of water with close to a limit of very large perch (for the Western Basin) in a couple hrs…. many jumbo’s, including 13 ½ “ largest. Did hear a few reports on the radio Sunday of guys getting some near Middle/border, trolling crank baits…"

"Got out for the first time this year on Sunday.  Unfortunately, we got a late start (fished from 11 am to 4 pm).  Two of us only caught 1 fish of any species all day, a 23” walleye.  Jigged fished with minnows for about 2.5 hr. in 10-16 FOW between Toussaint River and Camp Perry .  Never had a single hit.  Trolled in the same area for about 45 min., again nothing.  Ran back to SE corner of S. Bass and trolled stick baits and spoons in 29-34 FOW.  Picked up the one walleye, a female which had not yet spawned out, on a flat-lined Reef Runner."

I do want to sincerely thank all of you that have contributed to this web site since Marc and I took over for Dean.  I think that most of you realize that I'm not trying to be Dean.  I'm not Dean, and I don't intend to be.  I was one of the many religious readers of Dean's reports.  I looked up to him.  I was honored when I was asked to maintain the page when Dean passed it on.  I knew that some of his regulars would probably quit reading...that was expected.  I brought a different style to the page, and I also can't post as many first hand reports, mostly because I'm not retired and now have two children under the age of 3.  I still fish as much as I can and post most of what I do.  I've held very little back since I took over, and that's not always as easy as I expected.  The strength of this web site is currently, and always will be, its readers and their reports.  As I've told many of you, this page is successful because of all of you.  When you guys fish and send me a report there is good information up here.  Of course when we have a rough stretch of weather (like the last 3 weeks we've had) there aren't going to be many reports up here.  Most of you understand that.  I hope that you all realize that anything (and I do mean anything, unless you specify otherwise) that you send to me will be posted within a few days of sending.  Most of it goes up the same day or next day, and if not it's because I wasn't at a computer.  Every single report, good and bad, is very much appreciated.  I respond to every single report with and e-mail thanking you for the report.  I feel that's important.  I regret that I can't correspond more with all of you.  I would love to have a little more free time to e-mail longer responses than I do.  Sometimes my responses get bounced back as undeliverable, I assume mostly because of spam blockers or other programs that block e-mails from Yahoo accounts.  I feel bad about that, but believe it or not I do respond to every single e-mail even if sometimes they don't make it to you.  The funny thing is that we still get complaints.  I seriously do appreciate constructive criticism.  I look forward to good suggestions.  What really gets under my skin are vague, negative e-mails that take shots at the web page without offering a single suggestion.  Sometimes it's a simple mis-understanding, or a server that was down that didn't allow the reader to see new reports that were actually there, but there is one common theme.  The complaints come from readers that haven't contributed a single fishing report.  They don't have the ambition to send a report and contribute anything, but they find the time to throw rocks from a glass house.  I probably shouldn't be venting about this, because by far I'm basically preaching to the choir.  I really appreciate those of you that contribute.  When I was a reader I probably sent one report for about every five or six fishing days.  I just didn't take the time to e-mail Dean on each trip, and I wouldn't expect any of you e-mail every time.  I guess the bottom line is, in my opinion, this has continued to be a relavent, useful web site.  You all have picked up the slack and helped to continue Dean's tradition.  Please continue to send reports, but only when you feel comfortable doing so.  If you're not e-mail savvy you're welcome to just read and you shouldn't feel required to report.  If you have a suggestion to improve things, by all means let me know.  If you want to ask a question, feel free to e-mail me.  I'll answer as well as I can, as soon as I can, many of you know this.  If you want to share a story with me that you don't want posted, feel free to do so, it won't show up anywhere.

I wouldn't trade the relationships that I have because of this page for anything.  I know many of you very well even though I haven't met most of you in person.  Thanks for making this the page it is and will contiue to be as long as you're all interested enough to read and sometimes send a report.

Travis 
 

April 26, 2009 (Sunday) Travis 

I still haven't received any reports since early this week.  I haven't been able to get out since the LEWT, so I have to depend on the readers for information until I make it out again.  I hope some of you have been making it out more than I have, and if so please send me a report.

Travis 

April 21, 2009 (Tuesday) Travis 

One new report to pass along:

"Went out Saturday afternoon with the wife to find perch. 50 boats on the southeast corner of Kelleys. Muddy water. Only saw a couple of perch pulled up after 30 minutes. Moved to the big boat pack on the west side of Kelleys but most were trolling. Saw three walleye caught in front of the loading dock within 15 minutes. Clearer water.  Saturday went to Fenwick at dawn and jigged for 3.5 hours among hundreds of boats. Not too muddy. Fished in 12 feet with purple jigs tipped with shiners. Saw lots of nets going down. Two of us took 6 walleye. One was a spawned out 25" female. Rest were decent males."

Travis

April 19, 2009 (Sunday) Travis 

The FLW ended on Saturday with a 3 day total of just over 90 pounds (5 fish per day) winning it.  It might not have lived up to normal Erie standards, but was pretty good considering the tough pre-fishing.

One report has come in from Saturday:

"Tried the pack on the west side of Kelly's with only one pull-back to show for it.  That came on a firetiger Smithwick (deep runner) @ 45 feet back.  Moved over to the East side off the airport, not much going on there.  Ran up to NE of the Kelleys Island Shoal almost to Canada.  Water very clean and a little cool @ 44 degs.  Started to head back down the slot between the west side of KI Shoal and Gull Island headed back the the west side fo KI.  Noticed one of the FLW guys fishing in that slot area as well as "Pooh Bear."  Decided to stop and give it a try.  Managed a 5 and 8lbr.  The 5, a male, came on the Smithwick program.  The 8, a female, came on an Eriedescent Reefrunner on braid 180 out.  That was it.  Probably could have done better if we had gotten to this spot a little earlier.  As far as running deep, decided to put something where the marks were.  Fish had been pounded pretty hard all day and I think driven down."

Travis

April 16, 2009 (Thursday) Travis 

The wind has finally let up and the next few days could be pretty good.  Take a look at the satellite picture from today if you haven't already.  There is much more fishable water out there than I expected there to be.

The FLW Walleye tour got to fish today after they had to cancel day one on Wednesday.  It was as tough as most people expected after pre-fishing was blown out, but as usual some of the pros found them.  Right now 5 fish at 36 pounds is leading and it took 25 pounds to make the top ten.  It will be a shootout on Friday with plenty of pros still in the running to make the top 10.  On Saturday the top ten will fish to determine the winner and there should be some big weights after they've had a few days to figure it out.

If you've been waiting for the weather to break these next few days are a good chance to get some prime spring Erie fishing in.  Whether you want to jig the reefs or troll for big fish it should really turn on by Saturday.

Travis

April 15, 2009 (Wednesday) Travis 

There haven't been any reports lately because none have come in and the weather has been crappy.  Between wind, rain and cold weather there hasn't been much activity on the lake even with the FLW walleye pros in town.  The first day of their four day tournament was canceled today, although the forecast looks much better the next few days.  They will weigh in at the park in Port Clinton on Thursday and Friday, and then on Saturday the top ten will fish with the weigh in at the PC Wal Mart.  It will be interesting to see how well they can figure out the lake after pre-fishing was wiped out by weather.

If you didn't get a chance yet make sure that you read Marc's post below.

Travis

April 11, 2009 (Saturday) Marc

I think Travis will be gone for a few days and you know what that means, Marc is going to do another tirade about politics. This is about reduced TACS for 2010 and i hope it makes some sense to you guys. It's long but i think worth reading

Walleye limits for 2010 are looking bleak according to the estimates of catchable fish from the Lake Erie Commitee.  Here is a paste of highlighted information that I got from the fisheries research lab in Sandusky and answers to a couple specific questions I had about how those limits would be enacted:

·  The best science available (from the Lake Erie Committee’s Walleye Task Group) suggests that the walleye population will be approaching a “crisis mode” in 2010.  The crisis mode is a state where targeted fishing pressure will be greatly reduced by all jurisidictions (OH, MI, Ontario, NY, PA) so as to avoid contributing to population collapse.  In short, quotas will be reduced greatly if the population slips below an estimated 15 million age 2 and older fish (WTG preliminary projections for 2010 are just above 15 million…these will be updated next March).

·  The population decline is due to poor hatches.  Over the past decade, walleye have produced three moderate year classes (’99,’01,’07), one exceptionally strong hatch (’03), two low hatches (’05, ’08), and four exceptionally low hatches.  In other words, low to very poor hatches have occurred 60% of the time since 1999, despite having adequate numbers of spawners in the population.    This frequency of poor hatches was not observed in the decades prior to this one.

· Fisheries agencies have been reacting to the population decline for the past several years.   Ohio’s 2009 quotas is 68% lower than the 2008, which was 67% lower than the 2007, which was 54% below the 2006.   The Committee has been following a harvest policy that reacts quickly to changes in walleye abundance, hence the quota declines of recent years.

·         Like other agencies, ODNR is anticipating about a 45% drop in quota for 2010, based on current WTG abundance projections.  While sport fisheries tend to be somewhat self-regulating (e.g., catch generally follows abundance trends), we are concerned about exceeding our 2010 quota without a bag limit change at a time when we are approaching the “crisis mode”.  

·  Rather than simply address a 2010 bag limit reduction in the absence of having the most up to date science, we prefer to defer that decision until next April when we will have that information.  To do that, we are working on a framework concept that would allow us to set the bag limit after quotas are announced next March, probably effective in May.  This is a significant departure from the traditional way of setting Lake Erie bag limits but, given the biological and social-economic stakes at hand, we want to make the best decision to manage the fishery and protect the resource by using the most recent science available.  This framework approach should be further along within a month and we will be solicting public opinion if/as it moves forward as an option.  We will welcome your group’s input, so stay tuned..  

·  Any rumor that ODNR has specific seasonal bag limits in mind for 2010 (or for that matter, any other regulation like a closed season or increased length limit) has no substance to it.  We simply have not yet conducted the data analysis necessary to determine what level of action would be needed to keep our projected Ohio catch within our projected quotas.  

What I got out of or club meeting with roger Knight on April 7, was that we are for sure going to get some kind of TAC reduction. There are several ways to reduce TAC but the one that works best is one like happened naturally in 2005 or 2006 when the weather was hot and the fish went east in a hurry and stayed there for a longer period of time. They can’t count on that happening again so more than likely a limit reduction of some kind will be put into effect.

How are limits put into place?

1. Lake wide reduction, say to 2-3 or 4-5 fish per angler. It’s probably the easiest to understand and more than likely a 2-3 fish limit would just make a lot of people stay away which would kill a lot of shoreline businesses that are already strapped due to the economy.

2. Seasonal reductions or closed seasons: Some people are arguing for closed seasons, such as Oct-April including the rivers. The arguments for this are coming mostly from some in the charter Industry since they normally don’t fish these seasons anyway.
I see a lot of resistance to this idea from the sport fishermen (me included). I don’t see this as  viable since history tells us most of the fish are caught in June and July with only a few hotspots and relatively few fishermen doing this type of fishing. Plus, the weather is rarely good enough to sustain long fishing periods in this time of year. The ice fishing can be hot but overall I see more empty buckets coming back than full so it doesn’t seem to me, to be a big impact on the population either.

3. Increased length limit: the increased length limit in 2005-2006 made a huge difference in fish caught because that 2003 hatch hadn’t reached that point yet. Those catches were also hindered by warmer than normal temps which made fishing tougher. New York and Pennsylvania fishermen had a banner year though! Since the 2003 year class makes up the majority of our population this may not work though since there simply aren’t that many fish under say 18” out there even if they are probably easier to catch.

There are probably others ways to reduce catches and keep us under the TAC numbers suggested by the Lake Erie Commitee. The one thing I’m sure of is that TAC’s will go down in 2010 and would have this year if there were regulations in place to allow it. The TAC for 2009 is lower than 2008 but still above what we caught in 2008. 2008’s numbers were down in part due to high gas prices and a bad economy. License sales were down about 45% if memory serves me right. With normal fishing pressure and the decent weather we had last year we almost assuredly would have overharvested.

My thoughts for what they are worth:

I’m a charter captain. I’m not your typical 6 pack charter and I keep my trips to 30 a year for insurance purposes so am not full time. I love doing it but being retired I don’t want it to become a full time job. That said, there are full time charters out there and all of these changes would hurt most if not all of them. Economically speaking I can’t see much good coming out of any further decreases in TAC and that includes Marinas, restaurants, hotels, bait shops etc.

My personal leaning and by the looks and responses from our club members at our last meeting is to lean toward a raised length limit, say 18 or 19”’s. A length limit of 18-19 inches would assure that we are only taking fish that have already spawned at least once instead of a million or so that have never spawned at all. I’m not a researcher but in my mind by letting them spawn at least once we increased egg production, by much more than closing the season on the few that get caught prespawn in the fall and spring. Most harvesting of these fish occur during May, June and July in the Western Basin. I know the charter fleet in the West Basin won’t like this response but there is no answer that is going to please everyone (maybe anyone).

The fact is though that the population of walleye is down and is still in a downward spiral. It will take 2-3 years after a couple good hatches to correct things and right now that doesn’t look likely so the near future for great numbers is looking grim. We as sportsmen don’t want to see it crash and I’m sure that no one else does either. The Lake Erie Commitee and ODNR have a tough Row to Hoe here and I don’t envy them their tough choices and the heat that will probably be turned toward them when their final decisions are made.

Some will point their anger at the Canadian netters. They have felt the last 3 reductions a lot more than we have because weather is never a factor to them but the TAC reductions hit them right where it hurts because they always get their TAC. Many of the smaller outfits have gone under or been gobbled up by the larger ones. This reduction will probably force even more of them out of business. I’m not feeling completely sorry for them though. I hate the use of gill nets and the by kill that comes along with it and that is probably never going to change. They are however a foreign country and moaning about something we can’t change does no one any good.

WBSA doesn’t know where these TAC’s will lead us and no decisions have been made by the authorities yet. I’m sure their computers are buzzing with models trying to figure out the best reductions with the least economic impact. And that is what it is really all about. Trying to keep a viable fishery without putting thousands of people out of work and lowering revenues to the cities and people involved in those fishing related businesses.

Roger promised us that he would come back to us when they had some more solid information. I will post it here as soon as we find out and invite you all to partake in the discussions, no matter what your views are or whether you are club members or not. This is serious business folks and it will impact many of us, some more than others, but all of us in some way or another.

Stay tuned!

Fishing reports have been slow, most likely due to the fact that the weather has been terrible and water muddy when it is calm. Hope that changes soon!

Marc

April 10, 2009 (Friday) Travis 

Based on the satellite picture some of the western basin is starting to clear up a little.  Unfortunately we seem to be in a E-NE wind pattern.  The FLW tournament is in Port Clinton starting Wednesday and running through Saturday.  I think that the fishing will be a little tougher than last year, but with the best tournament anglers in the country coming to town they'll figure it out.

I did get one more report from last Sunday's LEWT tournament.  Here it is:

"We thought the east side of the islands might have the clearest water according to the satellite images. Especially between North Bass and Middle down to Lucie Point. I think with the wind changing to the northeast eliminated the chance for any fishable water. We fished around Starve Island and Starve Reef. Like you there were good fish stacked everywhere. Husky Jerks, Reef Runners, large and small spoons nothing seem to stimulate a bite. I managed to get my speed down as low as 1.0 knot but still no action. We thought about checking around Kelly's Island but just couldn't leave the marks where we were."

Travis

April 5, 2009 (Sunday) Travis 

I'd like to congratulate everyone that figured out how to catch fish today in the first LEWT tournament of the year out of Fenwick.  We ended up fishing today because of the high winds on Saturday.  Today was the first tournament that dad and I didn't weigh in a fish.  Between wind, muddy water and cold weather we couldn't buy a bite.  The teams that had success really figured out a tough day of fishing.  Jiggers had a lot of success, but in the end trollers took first place.  Jig fish were caught on a handful of the reefs in the Camp Perry range, and also over in Maumee Bay.  The Siberts won the tournament trolling in cleaner water up near the turnaround buoy of the Toledo shipping channel.

We fished around Middle Bass, Sugar Island, Rattlesnake Island and "D" can of the range.  We fished over good marks all day, but in the end the muddy water was too much to overcome.  We threw the kitchen sink at them and missed.

The wind and weather for the next few days looks down right miserable.  Once all this weather works its way through the area hopefully the lake can start clearing up for the post-spawn bite.  With every week that passes more fish are spawned out and the island area fishing should really pick up when the weather lets it happen.

Travis 

 

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